New priest ordained in the Iraqi Armenian Diocese

NEW PRIEST ORDAINED IN THE IRAQI ARMENIAN DIOCESE

Azad-Hye
Aug 29 2008
Dubai, UAE

By Ara S. Ashjian

An Iraqi Armenian settled in Yerevan, Armenia

Father Torkom is the name of the newest priest of the Iraqi Armenian
Orthodox Church.

The celebrant of the Divine Liturgy and ordaining bishop was His
Eminence Archbishop Avak Asadourian, the Primate of the Diocese of the
Armenian Church of Iraq.

Father Torkom is the former deacon Vartan Torkomian. The ordination
took place at St. Mary Mother of God Church in the southern city of
Basra on 21-22 August 2008.

At the end of the sermon, His Eminence Archbishop Avak Asadourian
congratulated the newly ordained priest wishing him long and
prosperous years to serve in a better way our ancient Church and the
faithful put under his care.

Bronze Medal Winner Hrachik Javakhian Returns From Beijing Olympic G

BRONZE MEDAL WINNER HRACHIK JAVAKHIAN RETURNS FROM BEIJING OLYMPIC GAMES

Noyan Tapan

Au g 26, 2008

YEREVAN, AUGUST 26, NOYAN TAPAN. A bronze medal winner at the 29th
Summer Olympic Games, boxer Hrachik Javakhian of the city of Vanadzor
returned to Armenia from Beijing at midnight of August 25. Sport fans
of Lori marz together with Vanadzor mayor met him at Zvartnots Airport
with an offering of bread and salt, songs and dancing. The medal winner
was handed a laurel wreath by the President of the National Olympic
Committee Gagik Tsarukian, the RA Minister of Sport and Youth Issues
Armen Grigorian and the President of the Boxing Federation of Armenia,
Lieutenant General Hayk Harutyunian.

H. Javakhian is the third Armenian boxer to win an Olympic medal
after Vladimir Yengibarian – champion of the 1956 Melbourne Games,
and Davit Torosian – a bronze medal winner at the 1972 Munich Games.

NT correspondent was informed by Gurgen Gevorgian, President of the
Vanadzor Committee of Sports, an Honored Trainer of the USSR that
Vanadzor municipality will present H. Javakhian with an apartment
and a car.

Javakhian’s personal coach Gevorg Misakian will also receive an
apartment.

http://www.nt.am/news.php?shownews=116684

ANKARA: Obama’s VP Pick Biden "Distant" To, But Knowledgeable Of Tur

OBAMA’S VP PICK BIDEN "DISTANT" TO, BUT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF TURKEY

Hurriye
Aug 25 2008
Turkey

The senate record of Joe Biden, presidential candidate Barack
Obama’s pick for vice president, shows he has been consistently
anti-Turkish. Analysts, however, say his vast knowledge of Turkey
could be a plus for future ties with a possible Obama leadership.

Biden, a foreign policy guru, has almost constantly voted for or
joined initiatives against Turkey’s interests during his 35 years in
the U.S. Senate.

But still some analysts suggest that his vast knowledge of Turkey might
be an advantage if Ankara is to deal with an Obama administration
that may come to power in the wake of the United States’ Nov. 4
presidential election, according to the Turkish Daily News (TDN).

Obama, who competes against Republican candidate Sen. John McCain,
announced Saturday that he had picked Delaware Sen. Biden, chairman of
the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as his running mate.

The choice of Biden, who has served in the Senate since 1972,
indicated Obama had put more emphasis on filling that gap in the
ticket than on finding someone who would reinforce his message of
bringing change to Washington.

Like Obama, Biden is a staunch supporter of the Armenian cause. The
two men both back last year’s draft resolution in the Senate calling
for the United States’ official recognition of the World War I-era
killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as "genocide".

The resolution will probably go nowhere during this session of
Congress, but analysts expect a strong effort on this matter from
pro-Armenian politicians next year. Obama himself pledged to label
the killings as genocide if elected president.

Biden, 65, was close to and influenced by former Democratic
Sen. Paul Sarbanes, who is of ethnic Greek origin, and has adopted
an anti-Turkish position on several disputes with Greece and Greek
Cypriots.

CONSISTENT RECORD Over the past 15 years, Biden has also worked
against a number of planned U.S. arms transfers to Turkey on grounds
of alleged human rights violations and other reasons.

In the latest such case in 2003, he opposed the use of a U.S. Ex-Im
Bank loan for the purchase of naval helicopters. Eventually the
matter was resolved, but Turkey, when signing a 2005 contract for
the U.S. Sikorsky Aircraft for 17 S-70B Seahawk helicopters, opted
not to use the loan.

When the United States was in deep trouble in Iraq two years ago,
Biden came up with a proposal to divide the war-torn country into
three parts along ethnic and sectarian lines under a very loose
confederation. Turkey is strongly opposed to the division of Iraq,
and the idea was later shelved when ensuing U.S. policies helped
improve the situation in Iraq.

"It’s a fact that Biden has a consistent record against Turkey in
Congress. But it’s also a fact that he knows Turkey and Turkey’s
leaders quite well," one Washington analyst told TDN. "As a result
I think it’s better to deal with someone with a deep knowledge of
Turkey than another person who is ignorant about Turkey."

During a stopover in Turkey following a visit to Afghanistan in
February, Biden and fellow Democratic Sen. John Kerry and retiring
Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel met with President Abdullah Gul and Prime
Minister Tayyip Erdogan. In the latest meeting, Biden and several of
his committee members met with visiting Foreign Minister Ali Babacan
here in June.

Nationalism, revolution and war in the Caucasus

Green Left Weekly, Australia
Aug 24 2008

Nationalism, revolution and war in the Caucasus

Tony Iltis
23 August 2008

Since the European Union-brokered ceasefire brought the shooting war
between Georgia and Russia to an end on August 12, there has been a
war of words between Russia and the West.

One point of contention is the withdrawal of Russian troops from
Georgia-proper (that is, Georgia excluding the de facto independent
territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia), in particular the towns of
Gori, Zugdidi and Senaki and the port of Poti.

The war began with Georgia’s August 7 attack on the territory of South
Ossetia. Russia responded with a military assault that first drove
Georgian troops out of South Ossetia, then continued to advance within
Georgia-proper.

Russia agreed to withdraw when it signed the ceasefire and has since
indicated that it is doing so ‘ but slowly, and not before
systematically destroying Georgia’s military capacity.

A bigger difference, based on competing interpretations of what is and
isn’t Georgian territory, is Russia’s stated intention to maintain a
beefed-up peacekeeping presence in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Western leaders have stressed recognition of Georgia’s official
borders, which includes the breakaway territories. US President George
Bush stated on August 16 that `Georgia’s borders should command the
same respect as every other nation’s. There’s no room for debate on
this matter.’

Not Georgian

What this ignores is not only that most of South Ossetia and Abkhazia
have been outside Georgia’s control since the early 1990s, but that
the Abkhazians and Ossetians (who are both distinct non-Georgian
nationalities) have shown in repeated referendums, as well as in the
wars that followed the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1991, that they
have no desire to be under Georgian rule.

While the Western media and politicians have portrayed the current war
as Russian `great power’ aggression against its much smaller
neighbour, this ignores the fact that war was started by Georgia’s
August 7 blitzkrieg that levelled South Ossetia’s capital Tskhinvali.

Anywhere between `dozens’ and 1500 civilians were killed, depending on
the source, and 30-40,000 refugees (half the population) fled across
the border to North Ossetia-Alania, a republic within the Russian
Federation.

Since coming to power with Western support in 2003, Georgian President
Mikheil Saakashvilli has allied his country closely to the West.

However, since Georgia provoked the current war with Russia, it became
clear that the West was not keen to get involved in a war with
nuclear-armed Russia in support of its ally’s territorial ambitions.

Despite military assistance from the US and Israel, the Georgian army
collapsed in disarray before the Russian advance. Russian and South
Ossetian forces have been able to seize significant quantities of
abandoned US and Israeli military hardware.

On August 21, there were thousands-strong protests in Tskhinvali and
the Abkhazian capital Sukhumi demanding Russian recognition of
independence of the territories.

The recognition of Kosova’s independence from Serbia (under Western
supervision) has created a precedent in international law. Russia has
refused to recognise Kosovan independence but has indicated that it
could change this position in exchange for Western recognition of
independence for Abkhazia and South Ossetia (under Russian
supervision).

Nationalism

The conflicting nationalisms in the Caucasus is a result of the
colonisation of the highly diverse region by the Russian empire,
beginning in the 18th century.

This was followed by the promise of national liberation and equality
between peoples by the 1917 Russian Revolution. This promise was
betrayed when the revolution degenerated into bureaucratic
dictatorship under Joseph Stalin.

National movements subsequently played an important role in the
restoration of capitalism in the former Soviet Union in the 1990s.

Full control by the Russian empire of the Caucasus by 1864 was
accompanied by ethnic cleansing of Muslims, which included about half
the Abkhaz population.

After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks recognised the rights of all
peoples to self-determination. While the various nationalities of the
North Caucasus (including Ossetians, Chechens, Ingushetians and the
myriad of Dagestani ethnicities) formed the pro-Bolshevik Mountain
Soviet Republic (MSR), Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan became
anti-Bolshevik independent states propped up by British troops.

Between 1918 and 1921, what started as tax revolts by South Ossetians
against the Georgian regime developed into full scale warfare, with
the South Ossetians seeking to be united with their North Ossetian
compatriots in the MSR, which from 1919 was an autonomous part of the
Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR).

Georgian reprisals against the revolt took 18,000 lives. Keen to
dislodge the British, the Red Army came to the aid of the Ossetians,
the Abkhaz and a revolt by Georgian Bolsheviks. A Georgian Soviet
Republic was established.

Similar processes established Soviet rule in Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Painfully aware of the resentment towards Russians in the nations
colonised by the Tsarist empire, Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin
stressed equality between nations.

In 1922, he clashed with Stalin, then commissar of nationalities, who
despite being Georgian displayed, in Lenin’s words, `all the
characteristics of a Great Russian bully’ in his attempts to pressure
the Georgian Bolsheviks into accepting absorption of their country
into the RSFSR.

Stalin lost that fight and in 1922 Georgia, Abkhazia, Armenia and
Azerbaijan became equal members of the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics.

North Ossetia became an autonomous republic within the RSFSR while
South Ossetia became an autonomous district of Georgia.

Counter-revolution

However, following Lenin’s death in 1924, Stalin led a
counter-revolution whereby a bureaucratic caste took power and undid
many of the progressive gains of the revolution.

While national equality remained in form, its content was gutted. In
1931, Abkhazia was made an autonomous republic within Georgia and
Georgian replaced Abkhaz as the official language.

The transmigration of Russians, Armenians and Georgians into Abkhazia
was accelerated under Stalin.

In the 1940s, having officially revived Russian nationalism in
response to Nazi invasion, Stalin increased arbitrary acts of national
oppression. In the Caucasus this included deporting the entire Chechen
and Ingushetian population to Central Asia.

Following Stalin’s death in 1953, the extremes of Stalin’s
dictatorship were tempered, including the nationalities
policy. Deported nationalities were allowed to return to their
homelands and the suppression of Abkhaz culture ended.

However, while repression decreased, the main lines of bureaucratic
dictatorship remained.

For Ossetians in the post-Stalin Soviet Union, the boundary between
North Ossetia (part of the RSFSR) and South Ossetia (part of Georgia)
became purely administrative, of no more significance than that
between two Australian states.

On the one hand, in both territories the Ossetian language was used in
government, education and the media. On the other hand, as with the
rest of the USSR, in neither territory did people actually have a say
in choosing their government, or the right to oppose it.

As the Soviet Union began to unravel in the 1980s, nationalism came to
the fore as local bureaucratic elites sought to ensure their power in
the post-Soviet order.

By 1988 war had broken out between Armenia and Azerbaijan, despite
both being constituent republics of the USSR. The restoration of
capitalism in the Soviet Union in 1991 was accompanied by its
dissolution into constituent republics.

In Georgia, following unsuccessful attempts by Moscow to repress the
nationalist tide, dissident and former political prisoner Zviad
Gamsakhurdia was elected president in 1990.

While to Georgians, Gamsakhurdia’s slogan of `Georgia for the
Georgians’ and his appeals to historical mythology of ancient Georgian
kings, represented freedom from Russia, to the Abkhaz and Ossetians it
represented a threat to their national rights.

For the Ossetians, the dissolution of the USSR also meant the border
between North and South Ossetia became an international frontier.

War and `autonomy’

In November 1989, South Ossetia voted to be merged with North Ossetia
within the RSFSR, although this was vetoed by the Georgian Soviet
government.

A march on Tskhinvali by Gamsakhurdia’s nationalists led to clashes
and the intervention of Soviet troops. In 1990, South Ossetia tried to
declare itself a constituent republic of the USSR.

Georgia, now under Gamsakhurdia’s presidency, responded by abolishing
South Ossetia’s autonomy. By January 1991, before the USSR had
dissolved, the dispute escalated into warfare between Georgian and
Ossetian militias.

This war, which ended in 1992, cost hundreds of lives and created tens
of thousands of refugees.

By this time Gamsakhurdia had been overthrown in a military coup and
newly independent Georgia was degenerating into civil war. The peace
agreement allowed for de facto independence and a peace keeping force
involving Georgian, North and South Ossetian and Russian troops.

Gamsakhurdia’s successor, Eduard Shevardnadze, who had been the
Stalinist head of Soviet Georgia in the 1970s, had reinvented himself
as a democratic reformer and then again as a moderate nationalist when
the military junta that overthrew Gamsakhurdia offered him the
presidency.

While Shevardnadze ended the war in South Ossetia, he started another
by invading Abkhazia, which had declared its independence to pre-empt
abolition of its autonomous status.

This war ended in Georgian defeat, after the Abkhazians received help
from a multi-ethnic North Caucasian volunteer force, the Confederation
of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus, who were accused of ethnic
cleansing.

Hundreds of thousands of Georgians fled Abkhazia, leaving the Abkhaz
as a demographic majority for the first time since the 19th century.

The 1993 peace agreement left it, like South Ossetia, legally part of
Georgia but with a de facto independence guaranteed by Russia.

The US helped bring the ultra-nationalist Saakashvilli to power in
2003 with the aim of using him to pressure Russia.

However, Saakashvilli’s nationalist adventurism, backed by US and
Israeli military aid, has resulted in handing Russia an opportunity to
militarily crush Georgia and humiliate its Western allies.

In the brutal history of colonialism, competing nationalism, war and
ethnic cleansing that has marked the Caucasus, the example of the
early stages of the Russian Revolution stands out as offering a way
forward.

The Bolshevik policy of granting national self-determination and
seeking to ensure equality between peoples’, in contrast to the
manipulation and violence used by various powerful interests that have
dominated the region, is the only way of ensuring lasting peace.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/764/39436

National Youth Football Team Of Armenia Wins Match Against Turkey Wi

NATIONAL YOUTH FOOTBALL TEAM OF ARMENIA WINS MATCH AGAINST TURKEY WITH 2-1 SCORE

Noyan Tapan

Au g 21, 2008

YEREVAN, AUGUST 21, NOYAN TAPAN. An Armenia-Turkey football match
took place at Yerevan’s Hrazdan Stadium on August 20 by the group
tournament program of the 2009 European Football Youth (Under 21)
Championship Qualifying Stage.

The match ended in a 2-1 score: the Armenian team won. The goals
were scored by Abdullah Durat (67 min), Karlen Mkrtchian (87 min)
and Henrik Mkhitarian (89 min).

The Armenian foreign minister Edward Nalbandian and the members of
a delegation of the Turkish foreign ministry were present at the match.

The return match was to be held in Turkey on September 10. However,
a match of national teams of Turkey and Belgium is scheduled for that
day, and it has been decided to hold the match of the youth teams a
day earlier – on September 9.

http://www.nt.am/news.php?shownews=116578

ANTELIAS: Rep. of His Holiness Zakka I Iwas visits Catholicos

PRESS RELEASE
Catholicosate of Cilicia
Communication and Information Department
Contact: V.Rev.Fr.Krikor Chiftjian, Communications Officer
Tel: (04) 410001, 410003
Fax: (04) 419724
E- mail: [email protected]
Web:

PO Box 70 317
Antelias-Lebanon

Armenian version: nian.htm

THE REPRESENTATIVE OF PATRIARCH ZAKKA I VISITS HIS HOLINESS

Patriarch Zakka Iwas I of the Syrian Orthodox Church delegated Archbishop
Daniel to pay His Holiness Aram I a visit on August 19. Archbishop Daniel
presented a letter from Patriarch Zakka to the Armenian Pontiff, and
consulted him on a number of issues on behalf of the Patriarch.

The Patriarch’s representative and His Holiness also discussed new avenues
of cooperation between the two Churches. Archbishop Daniel, who recently
replaced Archbishop Efrem as the Syrian Orthodox Primate of Beirut, invited
His Holiness to preside over the Holy Mass to be held on the occasion of his
election to the mentioned post.

The Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and the Catholicosate of Cilicia enjoy
friendly relations and warm cooperation.

##
The Armenian Catholicosate of Cilicia is one of the two Catholicosates of
the Armenian Orthodox Church. For detailed information about the Ecumenical
activities of the Cilician Catholicosate, you may refer to the web page of
the Catholicosate, The Cilician
Catholicosate, the administrative center of the church is located in
Antelias, Lebanon.

http://www.armenianorthodoxchurch.org/
http://www.armenianorthodoxchurch.org/v04/doc/Arme
http://www.armenianorthodoxchurch.org

Non-Cash Payments Up 30% Per Year In Armenia

NON-CASH PAYMENTS UP 30% PER YEAR IN ARMENIA

arminfo
2008-08-19 15:10:00

ArmInfo. Non-cash payments in Armenia for the second qt of 2008
totaled 3.326 bln drams (1197719 payments) including payments on the
Armenian CB payment systems for the 2nd qt of 2008 as compared to the
same period of 2007 were up 1.3 times (by 438 bln drams) to 1.878 bln
drams. The number of payments was up 1.5 times (by 184075 payments)
to 506137 payments.

Armenian CB press-service told ArmInfo that in the second qt of 2008 as
against the same period of 2007, payments through CB payment systems
were down 0.06 times (by 123 bln drams). The number of payment was
up by 102466 (1.25 times).

The source reports the average daily size of transfer through the CB
payment systems for the period under review was 29 bln drams, which
was by 6.8 bln drams more than the indicator for the same period
of 2007. The number of payments was up 2878 to 7908. The share of
payments for electricity consumption through CB payment systems was
the largest – 54.5% of total non- cash payments (exclusive of stock
exchange deals) and 96.42% of total number of payments. The source
reports that 70% of payments for electricity was the share of Armenian
commerce banks. The volume of non-cash transactions was up 29/6% per
year (by 234 bln drams) and the number of transactions was up 57/5%
(by 178152). Transfers under stock exchange deals totaled 2887 bln
drams having grown 6.7 times for the period under review.

By CB’s data, the average daily size of e-payments for the 2nd qt
of 2008 was at the level of last year – 16 bln drams and the number
of e-payments totaled 7625, the annual growth being 1535. Transfers
under stock exchange deals was 45 bln drams, the growth as against
the same period of 2007 was 7 bln drams. Average size of an e-payment
(exclusive of transfers under stock exchange deals) was down by 0.5
mln drams to 2 mln drams as against 2nd qt of 2007. Average size of
a stock exchange deal totaled 892 mln drams.

Transactions on plastic cards totaled 73641 mln drams and 1541602
transactions in the 2nd qt of 2008. Non-cash payments on cards totaled
5846 mln drams including 500 mln drams Internet-transactions (the
share of e-trade was 243 mln dram, transfers from card to card – 266
mln drams). At the end of the 2nd qt of 2008, the number of plastic
cards circulated in Armenia totaled 394251.The growth as against the
1st qt was 1.15 times (by 51480 cards).

Thus, the number of active plastic local cards ArCa in Armenia for
the 2nd qt of 2008 as against the same period of 2007 was up 1.18
times (by 27505 cards) to 183745 cards. Over the qt under review,
the number of international cards in Armenia was up 1.13 tines (by
23975 cards) including Visa – 1.11 times (by 14099 cards) to 147142
cards and MasterCard – 1.2 times (by 5222 cards) to 31901 cards.

Operations on ArCa active cards were up 1.6 times to 25366
mln drams. The number of operations was up 1.4 times to 685842
operations. Operations on Visa cards in Armenia were up 1.5 times
to 30788 mln drams (508834 operations) and MasterCard – 1.6 times to
734 mln drams (123074 operations).

Yerevan denies reports about bombardment of Georgian air bases by…

WPS AGENCY, RUSSIA
DEFENSE and SECURITY (Russia)
August 13, 2008 Wednesday

YEREVAN DENIES REPORTS ABOUT BOMBARDMENT OF GEORGIAN AIR BASES BY
AIRPLANES FROM THE RUSSIAN BASE IN ARMENIA;

The Defense Ministry of Armenia says that information disseminated by
Georgian and Azerbaijani mass media that Georgian air bases have been
attacked by the military airplanes based at the 102nd Russian base in
Armenia is a lie. The Armenian Defense Ministry points out that there
are no bombers at the Russian military base in Armenia and there are
only light fighters that cannot do bombing.

Source: Novosti-Armenia, August 11, 2008

Translated by InterContact

ANKARA: Turk FM holds series of talks on conflict in Georgia

Hürriyet, Turkey
Aug 17 2008

Turk FM holds series of talks on conflict in Georgia

Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan held phone conversations over the
past two days with his United States, German, French, Swedish and
Finnish counterparts on recent developments in Georgia.

Babacan spoke by phone with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner whose country holds European
Union’s rotating presidency, German Foreign Minister Frank Walter
Steinmeier, Foreign Minister Carl Bildt of Sweden that is the chairman
of the Council of Europe, and chairman of the Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Finnish Foreign Minister
Alexander Stubb, Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement on
Sunday.

Babacan told his counterparts about his impressions at his visits to
Moscow and Tbilisi together with Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip
Erdogan, the statement said.

Months of tension between Georgia and its former Soviet master erupted
on Aug. 7, when Tbilisi launched an assault to seize back control of
the Russian-backed breakaway South Ossetia region. Russia said 1,600
civilians, many of them Russian citizens, were killed in the Georgian
bombardment.

Ankara has stepped in to resolve the conflict with Prime Minister
Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Ali Babacan had visited both
Moscow and Tbilisi.

Turkey has proposed the formation of a Caucasian union after the
clashes erupted between Georgia and Russia. Turkey, as a neighboring
country of the region, has close interest in the Caucasus in its
efforts to ensure energy supply safety.

Turkey’s proposal to establish a Caucasian union was widely
accepted. The union, called by Turkey as "Caucasus Stability and
Partnership Platform", is envisaged to bring Turkey, Armenia, Georgia,
Azerbaijan and Russia under the same roof.

Babacan and his counterparts discussed efforts to establish an
enduring cease-fire and exchanged views on steps to take to preserve
peace and stability in the region, Sunday’s statement said.

Ministers also discussed possible functions of the U.N. Security
Council, EU, NATO, Council of Europe and OSCE, as well as Turkey’s
contributions to the process, it added.

NKR Foreign Ministry Disseminates Message Of Condolences For Latest

NKR FOREIGN MINISTRY DISSEMINATES MESSAGE OF CONDOLENCES FOR LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IN SOUTH OSSETIA

arminfo
2008-08-14 10:35:00

ArmInfo. Nagorny Karabakh Republic Foreign Ministry disseminated
a message condolence in connection with the developments in South
Ossetia, ArmInfo correspondent to Stepanakert reports.

The message says in particular that NKR people that experienced
ethnic purges, pain and grief of war, is well aware of the tragedy
and terror of people in South Ossetia. ‘We categorically condemn
the force settlement of conflicts and urge the parties to liquidate
confrontation by peaceful and political methods. We are sure that
those guilty in ethnic purges will face international justice since
crimes against mankind has no justification or limitation period. We
express our condolences for the deaths and wish the relatives of the
killed heart and courage to overcome this humanitarian catastrophe’,
the telegram says.